Where the 9/11 Passengers Went after Landing in Cleveland

04/15/2012

Read about the Second Edition of Planes without Passengers: the Faked Hijackings of 9/11 here!

Comments

Brooklyn-

04/15/2012 23:03

Being a Sept 11 survivor myself I too have been obsessed with this & scouring research efforts tend to come back incredibly far fetched.I end up saying to myself "no way, not THAT"....thats absurd. Official 911 Commission Report is totally out the question, I dont trust them for shit not to mention their own version is far fetched and utter bullshit and they proven just that. I do have some god theorys however they are not complete and Im always left with it unzipped.
Take Care and be kind to each other....

Brother to a US Navy SEAL link

05/29/2012 15:00

The closest that I could come to the truth regarding the 9-11 attack probably got me run down by a car 11 days after mailing my gathered conclusions to a US Congressman. After nearly a a year in hospitals, I returned home to discover that the ONLY item missing from my house was the cheap old Toshiba notebook that I had used to email that congressman...
Coincidences? I doubt it.

J. P. Hubert

04/16/2012 07:29

Some thoughts Dean:

Seems to me the "passengers" if real would have to be killed in order to insure that truth would not get out. Given diabolical nature of plot, that is not hard to accept. If they were all agents, then they could still be alive under assumed identities. Problem for me is, what happened to Barbara Olson then? Are we to believe that she was the only publicly known passenger who allegedly died? Did they kill her with her husband's knowledge? Is she in hiding or has her appearance been altered?

Mr.Ken

05/08/2012 07:37

One needs to compare this to Operation Northwoods which had a similar plan to destroy an aircraft with "selected passengers". Operation Northwoods does NOT mention a final outcome for the passengers, but does say the plane would be landed and passengers evacuated.

Jeannon Kralj

05/08/2012 07:57

Good insight, Mr. Ken. Many aspects of 9-11 remind me of Northwoods including the plan to have planes flying here and there and crossing paths and being lost off radar... etc.

I think it was the plan to have a few known passengers who had some record in the media before or maybe just after the event to lend credibility to the whole.

Yep, this is major Evil and lots of people were murdered, but we will never know who, what, when and where of those murders.

Mr.Ken

05/08/2012 08:09

Jeannon... never say never! :-)

05/10/2012 09:52

If you look at who Barbara Olsen was married to when she died it is completely credible that he set her up to be killed. He lied about the cell phone calls and he went on to get married again shortly after - most telling of all is that he was not at all sad, outraged or angry about her death when he spoke about it publicly. He was "matter of fact" about the deaths of these people, couldn't even fake realistic emotion. He and the other Americans who orchestrated the attacks (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Kristol) were like, "We are going to get so fucking rich taking over the middle east, I can't wait baby!"

Jeannon Kralj

04/16/2012 15:08

Very interesting article. I like the way all possibilities and combinations are set out.

Still not sure about Barbara Olson, but it is looking more and more like she was an agent in on the plot. No one ever seems to mention that Barbara Olson and Ted Olson were separated and estranged for many months prior to 9-11 and that seems relevant to me. I know Ted Olson LIED about the phone calls from Barbara - lied often and lied in detail. (Ted Olson, I think was a Republican in a top government position, solicitor general, and would reasonably be thought to be on the conservative end of the political spectrum, but he has come out in favor of some legislation and issues in the state of California that are clearly positions of those of the liberal or "Left" wing part of the political spectrum, so that too seems odd.)

I thought this part did not make complete sense.
"...and some of the “relatives” get clearance from the plotters to speak to the media. They create a narration of hijacked passengers who died as part of the “War on Terror” against Islamic fundamentalists. "

The term "war on terror" did not come into existence until some time after 9-11. How much time, I would have to research, but it was not part of the public vernacular until AFTER 9-11. So it seems a bit awry to have some people create a narrative stating the alleged victims died "as part of a war on terror", a "war on terror" that had not even started yet.

The whole "vicsims" matter is very interesting, but we can never hit paydirt with that line of inquiry unless it is pursued in a very uniform, vigorous, thorough, and professional manner.

I think we have to rule out that ALL of the alleged passengers could have been agents. We have the husband of Ellen Mariani who was quite public in not accepting a payout for victim compensation. She was on several radio shows and certainly seemed like a sincere person who actually did lose her real person husband. Of course, we can say that her whole performance was a performance too. In any vicsim prorfessional investigation, one would have to find some relatives of Ellen Mariani and evaluate the quality of testimony of the relatives of that wife.

David Arnold

05/03/2012 14:59

Exactly. It must be done to follow the relatives, their relatives and co-workers and neighbors. Barbara Olsen seems clearly to me to have been a murder for hire. Her death is too convenient. Teller's rule: combine two or more tricks. Kill a few random people, we will assume they are killed, which is not really logical.

John Hubert

04/17/2012 05:41

Nice to hear from you again Jeannon. You may wish to join our FB group on 911. Dean is a member. If you use FB, just freind me and I will make you a member if interested.

Dean has not yet told me what he thinks happened to Barbara Olson. I had not heard that she and Ted were separated. That is very interesting information in this context.

I think Ted Olson is a clear NWO Globalist who does whatever his master's tell him to, hence his apparently contradictory positions on various political issues. He is a total shill for the Cabal and yes can be provably shown to have lied multiple times about the alleged phone calls from his wife on 911. Would love to put him under sodium pentothal and question him.

Jeannon Kralj

04/17/2012 06:54

Yes, John Hubert (Dr. Hubert ?), I will attempt to "friend you" on FB, but not sure I will do that successfully since my interaction with FB has been minimal and clumsy.

Mr. Ken

05/08/2012 08:12

John Hubert was easy to find and friend in contrast to you.

Jeannon Kralj

05/08/2012 08:48

A few weeks ago I tried to find "John Hubert" on FB. Found about 10 people. Did not "friend" any of them. The only "John Hubert" I know is a Dr. Hubert M.D. from Dr. James Fetzer's forum and that was not one of the FB choices.

I totally disenrolled from FB about 5 days ago. I never did much on FB but have heard so many negative things about who owns it and what they are doing with the data that decided to just drop out.

The only forum I participate in these days is Dr. Fetzer's forum, but it is not very active as far as conversations at this time.

I like people to use the full real name.

Jeannon Kralj

05/03/2012 15:26

Enjoyed listening to your recent visit on Dr. Fetzer's radio show, David Arnold. You provided a very intelligent and balanced take on many aspects of 9-11.

It is my hope that Dean Hartwell will do some kind of data collection and analysis of all of the alleged plane passenger victims.

Here is an example of the kind of study of the alleged passengers I think should be done. Andrew Johnson did this wonderful little study and I think he found like three people out of 500 had solid credible accounts to relate. All the others were highly questionable and and just did not hold up, I guess due to emotional effects.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/NYT9-11AccountsAnalysis/Report%20on%20NYC%20First%20Responder%209-11%20Accounts%20(Compact).pdf

Analysis of NYC
“First Responder” Accounts
Of FDNY and EMS Personnel
on 9/11/01
Compiled by Andrew Johnson (ad.johnson@ntlworld.com)

with Contributions by

Morgan Reynolds
Russ Gerst
Jeff Strahl
CB Brooklyn
Cathy Palmer

_____
From reading the latest article on VT by Mr. Ogilby, I would suggest that Dean keep his area of study completely separate from Simon Shack and Mr. Ogilby's current endeavors.

Deede Cohen

05/07/2012 07:33

Deede Cohen link

05/07/2012 07:36

Have often wondered if they were taken off-planet.

Jerry Lehane III link

05/07/2012 21:24

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a221/jlehane3/?albumview=slideshow There are people on Mars like us,many pics

Heather

05/08/2012 07:55

Occums razor suggests the passenger "victims" were all active agents or close relatives of them, who benefitted financially & were carefully pre-screened & carefully approved, philospophically aligned minions. I think "The Cabal" is the principle World Order. It's the apex of what amounts to nothing more righteous than a literal Global Establishment Crime Syndicate. That's why & how it can remain hidden in plain sight.

John P. Hubert MD

05/08/2012 10:19

Hello to Jeannon et.al.

Sorry we couldn't connect on FB Jeannon. I agree that FB is worrisome, but not too many alternatives exist in which we can have real-time messaging capability involving multiple people simultaneously. I am willing to consider other options if they are available and people wish to discuss 911 or anything else further.

I am also on Twitter warning about the pending collapse of society (financially), the "soft-kill" poisoning of human beings being done by the NWO Globalists (Cabal, Illuminati if you prefer) on a daily basis as a result of 15 years of Chemtrail spraying and 1+ year of radiation contamination from Fukushima which is still on-going among other mechanisms which are killing and maiming people world-wide e.g depleted uranium spent shells.

Jeannon: I think evidence suggests Fukushima was a HAARP related event caused by elements of US and Israeli intel services. The fact that it is being allowed to continue as an uncontrolled China Syndrome strongly suggests that those in control of the US government do not want it solved. We will start seeing marked increase in cancer rates in another 5 years, already changes in fertility rates being documented down-wind. In Japan, thyroid cancer will become epidemic among those who were close by early on, especially in children and adolescents. Fukushiam is an ongoing catastrophe whether spent fuel rods in # 4 collapse or not.

We are all under attack by the Cabal. Must have mass awakening if situation is to be turned around. Please help spread word.

Jeannon Kralj

05/08/2012 16:13

So good to hear from you, Dr. Hubert. You always help us so much.

"evidence suggests Fukushima was a HAARP related event caused by elements of US and Israeli intel services. "

I am beginning to think Fukushima is a planned event too, though I could not say exactly how it was done. I do know who has the power to do such a thing and "elements of US and Israeli intel services" is the perfect description, which by the way applies perfectly to 9-11 as well.

What I find so overwhelmingly frustrating is that Fukushima is going on and on and getting worse by the day. None of the experts of the world seem able to offer an immediate strong solution. Surely there must be a way to stop this.

The fact that it is being let continue on indicates to me a nihilistic quality that I think the rulers of the world possess. They seem insane to the point of wanting to destroy the entire world and everyone in it.

John Hubert

05/09/2012 06:34

I have found a group on-line http://askaboutfukushimanow.com/2012/05/05/hello-world-runaway-reactors-scram/ that recommeds sliding the entire Fukushima site into the sea with carefully placed explosive charges--believe it or not they want to plant multiple small nukes 150 feet under ground along the inside perimeter of the site to cause the whole thing to move en-masse into the ocean and submerge!

I'm not at all sure it can be done without blowing up the entire contents of spent fuel that sits atop reactor #4 at present in a very precarious position. If that were to happen, I am told that enough radiation would be released to cause all life on earth to cease due to the huge amount of Plutonium that would be released. So this option while very attractive in some ways is extremely problematic in others. Unfortunately, there are apparently no other good options.

Obviously we need a global effort on this using the best minds and equipment that can be brought to bear. For whatever reason, there is virtually zero interest in doing anything about it. My own view is that the Cabal, (NWO Globalists who planned 911) who have let it be known that they want the global population to be culled down to 500 million from almost 7 billion, planned this as part of their "soft-kill" program along with 15+ years of heavy metal poisoning from widespread Chemtrail spraying . I see the latter almost everyday her in Western Ky. where I live. The 3 most common metals sprayed are Aluminum, Barium and Strontium all of which are highly toxic to human beings and other life-forms.

There is no question that if all 3 reactor cores presently melting down and all the spent fuel rods from the 7 pools could be submerged in the sea, it would stop the ongoing radiation of the air world-wide. However, the site would need to be cleaned up by properly outfitted submarines. As it is, the Pacific ocean is being contaminated on an ongoing basis as radioactive material is released into the ocean 24/7.

I have read and don't know if it's true that one of the reasons the Cabal attacked Japan is that they were going to help Iran enrich nuclear material to a high enough percentage to make a bomb. Would be very nice to know the truth about that.

To check further into the issue of sabotage you can listen to Benjamin Fulford's U-tube videos who claims he has been given the evidence that nukes were placed in the seabed to cause an earthquake and Tsunami His veracity has in general been quite good, but I don't know if his claims on sabotage are true or not.

John Hubert

05/09/2012 06:34

John Hubert

05/09/2012 06:34

I have found a group on-line that recommeds sliding the entire Fukushima site into the sea with carefully placed explosive charges--believe it or not they want to plant multiple small nukes 150 feet under ground along the inside perimeter of the site to cause the whole thing to move en-masse into the ocean and submerge!

I'm not at all sure it can be done without blowing up the entire contents of spent fuel that sits atop reactor #4 at present in a very precarious position. If that were to happen, I am told that enough radiation would be released to cause all life on earth to cease due to the huge amount of Plutonium that would be released. So this option while very attractive in some ways is extremely problematic in others. Unfortunately, there are apparently no other good options.

Obviously we need a global effort on this using the best minds and equipment that can be brought to bear. For whatever reason, there is virtually zero interest in doing anything about it. My own view is that the Cabal, (NWO Globalists who planned 911) who have let it be known that they want the global population to be culled down to 500 million from almost 7 billion, planned this as part of their "soft-kill" program along with 15+ years of heavy metal poisoning from widespread Chemtrail spraying . I see the latter almost everyday her in Western Ky. where I live. The 3 most common metals sprayed are Aluminum, Barium and Strontium all of which are highly toxic to human beings and other life-forms.

There is no question that if all 3 reactor cores presently melting down and all the spent fuel rods from the 7 pools could be submerged in the sea, it would stop the ongoing radiation of the air world-wide. However, the site would need to be cleaned up by properly outfitted submarines. As it is, the Pacific ocean is being contaminated on an ongoing basis as radioactive material is released into the ocean 24/7.

I have read and don't know if it's true that one of the reasons the Cabal attacked Japan is that they were going to help Iran enrich nuclear material to a high enough percentage to make a bomb. Would be very nice to know the truth about that.

To check further into the issue of sabotage you can listen to Benjamin Fulford's U-tube videos who claims he has been given the evidence that nukes were placed in the seabed to cause an earthquake and Tsunami His veracity has in general been quite good, but I don't know if his claims on sabotage are true or not.

John Hubert

05/09/2012 06:36

I have found a group on-line that recommends sliding the entire Fukushima site into the sea with carefully placed explosive charges--believe it or not they want to plant multiple small nukes 150 feet underground along the inside perimeter of the site to cause the whole thing to move en-masse into the ocean and submerge!

I'm not at all sure it can be done without blowing up the entire contents of spent fuel that sits atop reactor #4 at present in a very precarious position. If that were to happen, I am told that enough radiation would be released to cause all life on earth to cease due to the huge amount of Plutonium that would be released. So this option while very attractive in some ways is extremely problematic in others. Unfortunately, there are apparently no other good options.

Obviously we need a global effort on this using the best minds and equipment that can be brought to bear. For whatever reason, there is virtually zero interest in doing anything about it. My own view is that the Cabal, (NWO Globalists who planned 911) who have let it be known that they want the global population to be culled down to 500 million from almost 7 billion, planned this as part of their "soft-kill" program along with 15+ years of heavy metal poisoning from widespread Chemtrail spraying. I see the latter almost every day her in Western Ky. where I live. The 3 most common metals sprayed are Aluminum, Barium and Strontium all of which are highly toxic to human beings and other life-forms.

There is no question that if all 3 reactor cores presently melting down and all the spent fuel rods from the 7 pools could be submerged in the sea, it would stop the ongoing radiation of the air world-wide. However, the site would need to be cleaned up by properly outfitted submarines. As it is, the Pacific Ocean is being contaminated on an ongoing basis as radioactive material is released into the ocean 24/7.

I have read and don't know if it's true that one of the reasons the Cabal attacked Japan is that they were going to help Iran enrich nuclear material to a high enough percentage to make a bomb. It would be very nice to know the truth about that.

To check further into the issue of sabotage you can listen to Benjamin Fulford's U-tube videos who claims he has been given the evidence that nukes were placed in the seabed to cause an earthquake and Tsunami His veracity has in general been quite good, but I don't know if his claims on sabotage are true or not.

MaryHolloway Love

05/16/2012 06:52

Have researched the Fukishima claims as well, and it does appear to be HAARP, as there were no pre-cursor shocks according to the GSPS website, and Israeli Intel has just installed "cameras" that weighed over 2400 lbs and were square to rectangular within the reactors?? Same weight/config as nuclear devices, which would help supplement the HAARP damage...

Alan Folsom link

05/08/2012 16:54

Mr. Hartwell, I find your analysis very interesting. I have gone down this same road myself and finally concluded that the passenger lists, with some exceptions, were totally faked. That would have been A LOT easier than dealing with real people with real or false names. The government would not have to worry about invented people...whether to kill them or worry about them talking. The no-planes-faked videos-no passengers answer to the 9/11 crime presents the easiest, most logical and risk-free explanation of the events, IMO.

More investigation of these supposed people and their relatives needs to be undertaken. Also, I undertook an investigation to find still pictures of Flight 175 approaching Tower 2 and have found none. All the pictures we have were taken off of the fake videos. You would think there would be thousands of amateur still pictures available with half of New York watching the event, there no such pictures exist, to my knowledge.

Quila Rider

05/12/2012 13:23

I was glued to the TV as many were those first few days after the event and I remember a Mayor ( cant remember which city) maybe Cleveland? making an announcement of passengers off a flight that were being off loaded and taken to a private area of the airport. This was on a major news channel like CNN or Fox or others as that is what I was watching.

Jeannon Kralj

05/12/2012 14:50

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/27/left-wing-911-gatekeepers-from-noam-chomsky-to-rob-kall/

excerpt...

"To summarize these articles: [one of which is

“Where the 9/11 Passengers Went after Landing in Cleveland”

http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2012/04/where-the-911-passengers-went-after-landing-in-cleveland.html ]

The alleged Flights 77 and 11 were never scheduled and never flew.

Flights 93 and 175 did not crash at Shanksville or the World Trade Center but instead flew to the Cleveland airport.

Though some of the names we have been given as passengers were the names of real people (such as Barbara Olson), most of the passengers used false identities.

The “passengers” were really agents of the plotters, who gave fake pictures to the media for most of the passengers.

The agents helped with the cover story in Cleveland and subsequently went to their next assignments.

The agents themselves served as the grieving relatives of the “passengers.”

How can this theory be challenged?

Real relatives of those alleged to be on the plane could tell us how they gave rides or otherwise saw off passengers at the airport gate (which people could do then). They could show pictures or newspaper articles of the passengers before 9/11.

Devil’s Advocate: The stories of going to the airport could be made up. Pictures and newspaper articles may refer to someone else with the same name.

A real relative could speak up and acknowledge having doubts about the official story and demand to know what happened to their family member.

Devil’s Advocate: Some believe that Ellen Mariani, widow of an alleged passenger on Flight 175, did just that by filing a lawsuit against the United States government and some of its representatives. She is apparently the only relative to sue in such a manner. By doing so, and give up the money offered by the government to relatives, she certainly stands out.

In her suit, she blamed the Bush administration for failing “to protect and defend against the preventable attacks based upon substantial intelligence known to Defendant GWB prior to ‘9/11’ which resulted in the death of Plaintiff’s husband and thousands of other innocent victims on ‘9/11.’”

In other words, she supported the basic structure of the official theory that “terrorists” hijacked the planes and killed the passengers. As Carol Valentine pointed out, if this lawsuit were to succeed, “there will be no more 9/11 plaintiffs to bring suits and no more chance for honest discovery. The Mother of All Conspiracy Theories, the suicide pilot fable, will be set in stone.”

The relatives’ families have had the opportunity to act like families of people who have lost someone. Typically, if there is any shred of doubt as to what happened, the relatives of victims press to find out the truth. They read up on the subject and would surely know by now the crash scenes were faked. They are the best evidence that there were no true passengers on 9/11."“Where the 9/11 Passengers Went after Landing in Cleveland” http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2012/04/where-the-911-passengers-went-after-landing-in-cleveland.html

Comment by Jeannon:

I think the best chance to get more information about what happened to the "passengers" who were offloaded from Flights 93 (Shanksville) and 175 (South Tower) is if some employee of the Cleveland airport of the City of Cleveland, who is perhaps now retired, but was close then to what happened, would come forward, even anonymity guaranteed if wanted, and tell what he or she knows.

Carol Valentine famous Flight of the Bumble Bees article

http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html

explains a lot about what could have happned with the planes.

Again, I must remind everyone that in this great deception, words needs to be defined because there usual meanings do not apply.

When we say "passengers" we normally mean real people who boarded a commercial airliner flight to reach their destination. That is not what we mean here and is why I put the word "passengers" in quotes because it looks very much like there were no real passengers.

Commercial airliner flights is also a phrase frought with ambiguities for our discussions. There were probably no real commercial airliner flights involved in the 9-11 scenario.

Also, when we use the term "no planes" in our discussions, we do not mean that no planes were at all involved in the entire 9-11 scheme. We only mean no planes, no big Boeings crashed at the four designated crash sites.

There was some real video of a craft going in to World Trade Center 1 but we can only give a best guest that it was some kind of unmanned aerial vehicle and we have no idea what part it played in the entire scenario.

Lastly, we have to realize that there were "rabbit trails"

Jeannon Kralj

05/12/2012 15:02

My last paragraph got truncated. Did not think there was a character limit on comments here.

Anyway to finish...

Lastly, we have to realize that there were "rabbit trails"

were inserted in the entire play by the plotters. Some fascinating and convincing sub-events within the play grab our attention and we spend much time researching these rabbit trails. Apparently the plotters definitely desire the "run out the clock" aspect to all 9-11 truth seeking.

(Please excuse misspellings in previous post.)

John Hubert

05/12/2012 15:56

Good thoughts Jeannon. I think you are correct that we must be very precise with language lest we inadvertently paper over something important.

I tend to agree with David Arnold that Barbara Olson was most likely killed especially since she and Ted were estranged which I had not heard before Jeannon brought it up. Perhaps she was murdered and never was a passenger on a plane that day. I would like Dean to try to find out if there is any evidence she ever boarded a plane at Dulles on 9/11. If it could be proven she didn't board that would be very explosive evidence.

It's amazing how the more we research 9//11 the further we get from the official explanation, much like the JFK Assassination Conspiracy. This has become one of the hallmarks of these type of "false-flag" events. None of the official explanations ever make any sense. Virtually nothing about them ever "hangs-together."

The thing is, the conspirators always have time on their side as it takes too long to prove that the official version(s) are absurd.

Dean Hartwell link

05/20/2012 20:02

John - here is my summary of my latest passenger findings:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/94096262/Planes-without-Passengers-II-the-Cleveland-Agents-Complete-the-Crime

John Hubert

05/12/2012 15:56

John Hubert

05/12/2012 15:56

Dean Hartwell link

05/15/2012 15:31

John,

Here is the only evidence I can find of Barbara Olson was at an airport on 9/11. I will note ahead of time I do not see a time stamp. I also find it convenient that she (or whover it is) is talking on a cell phone with alleged hijackers in the background!

http://witness-2.blogspot.com/2011/06/barbara-olson.html

John Hubert

05/16/2012 08:44

Thanks Dean:

I looked at the video and the quality is so poor that I can't tell who any of the people are, especially the woman you think may be Barbara Olson. The hair looks a bit too dark for her blond hair (in all but the very last second you see her before she is out of view) as I remember it but the quality of the film I suppose could make it look that way. She seems to come in and out of view much more quickly than the others, appearing first at ~2:07 seconds and is gone by 2:23 seconds if there has been no alteration(s). I don't know what to make of it. If she is holding a phone with her left hand, she does not have it up to her ear. I'm not sure what she has in her hand from the way the video looks but I admit that I find video identification to be extremely challenging. The men take much longer to move in and out of view. The red-haired woman that comes through just ahead of the one you think is Barbara Olson seems to move through at about the same pace as "Barbara.

John Hubert

05/16/2012 08:44

Vibram Five Fingers link

05/24/2012 02:07

suppose could make it look that way. She seems to come in and out of view much more quickly than the others, appearing first at ~2:07 seconds and is gone by 2:23 seconds if there

Stewart Ogilby link

06/15/2012 12:38

I enjoy this intelligent 911 inquiry web site, especially comments from obviously intelligent and conscientious viewers. If I may, I would like to call attention to my little article at http://bigeye.com/911_missing_posters_of_disembodied_souls.htm
and my 10-part series on the media hoax. It does seem clear that the towers claimed no real victims. My feeling is that Cleveland plane events, if any, would have been staged to frame discussions of 911 around distracting issues to preclude focusing on truly significant matters: the nature of the media hoax, its perpetrators, their affilatiates, and their aims..

Hortensia Hill link

06/24/2012 03:49

Interesting information on this blog, thanks

Julia Lazare

07/28/2012 11:05

I believe firnly that the passengers were PROFILES. I have spent 100's of hours researching this - which MANY are afriad to - and for good reason. BUT ------ last year - truly by chance - I was in Boston in a bus sitting next to an employee of the clothing store in Natick where many female buyers died. I was convinced - they were REAL people. So.....they could be that FRACTION of NON AGENTS - right? Others I believe are REAL people - CONNECTED REAL PEOPLE - whose REAL death details were SAVED for 9-11 to give it CREDIBILITY. I can prove this with a DIRECT connection to the CFR - but I won't for I fear for my life.

Stealthy

08/05/2012 19:44

You write: Witnesses saw approximately 200 people walking in direction of NASA building: I'm sorry but it's wrong!

Witnesses saw a few people walking in direction of NASA building but these people were NASA employees and the plane was a KC-135!

The Cleveland story is entire bullshit! The first plane that landed in Cleveland was Delta 89 with approximately 69 people onboard! It was not Flight 175 or 93! Passengers from Delta 89 were interviewed after they were released!

Stealthy

08/05/2012 19:51

if this story was true it would have been impossible to keep 200 people hidden in an airport like Cleveland! And after how to leave that airport with 200 people without drawing attention? It's impossible! The Cleveland story is a legend!

Elias Davidsson link

08/25/2012 05:42

It is important to get to the bottom of the question whether the persons named as passengers were fake names or real names, i.e. whether these individuals died (were killed) on 9/11. Having seen dozens of reports by families and friends mourning these individuals, the theory that these were fakes or agents (who were not killed) defies credibility. It would mean that all those who came out in public as family members or friends or colleagues of these passengers, were lying. The burden of proving that all these ordinary people are lying is on us. I do not believe we can discharge that burden. It follows that we must presume that the passengers were moved somewhere and killed.

The idea that families would then demand the truth is not compelling for the following reasons:
(a) At first and for a long time, the 9/11 truth movement was not visible and families had not the slightest reason to doubt the official account;
(b) Many families were honored by the authorities and almost all received huge compensation; this would induce them not to ask too many questions. I would also suspect that they were warned not to have contact with "conspiracy theorists". It is even possible that they are periodically checked to assess their loyalty to the official account. There exists evidence pointing to such periodical checking.
(c) Any family member who might suspect dirty tricks would have to make a huge internal change of paradigm that most people are not willing to do. Wilful denial is a far better defense mechanism. Such denial is facilitated by the media and official envirovnment.
(d) It is even possible - although I have not proof - that the families had been offered regular payments until their death in return for their cooperation "with the authorities" in the war on terrorism.

I may, of course, have missed some elements, but strongly believe that the "passengers" were real people and that they were executed.

Dean Hartwell link

08/25/2012 08:33

Elias,

Thank you for your reply. We can establish that the alleged relatives of alleged passengers on Flights 11 and 77 are lying because according to the original Bureau of Transportation Statistics records, there were no such flights scheduled, let alone taken off that day. As for Flights 93 and 175, we can establish that alleged relatives are lying about passengers deaths because there were no passenger plane crashes at the WTC or Shanksville. ACARS, furthermore, has established that said flights were in the air after alleged crashes.

I have sustained the burden of proof that the alleged relatives are lying.

As for demanding the truth, the relatives had no reason to do so. They already know.

Dean

simon shack link

02/25/2013 15:15

Dear Dean,

For some reason, I only recently came by your fine 9/11 research. It would be good if we contacted each other - to compare notes. As you may know, I have spent several years looking into the alleged victims of 9/11. To this day, my 'working postulation' (i.e. that all of them are nothing but 'datafakes', fictitious identities created out of thin air) has not been seriously challenged.

Now, these fake relatives are not confined to the 'plane passenger families' of those non-existing flights. Some of them, such as Bob McIlvaine and Donna Marsh O'Connor, actually claim to have lost loved ones in the WTC (see my "911 ACTORS" video on youtube).

I'd say that there are roughly around 50 of actors cast in the role of "grieving relatives" - employed by the perps and repeatedly showcased on the MSM to uphold the all-important myth of the "three-thousand 9/11 martyrs".

My latest discovery may be of particular interest to you. Surely, you will know about (actress) Ellen Mariani, the most prominent and vociferous "grieving family member" who allegedly lost her husband 'Louis Mariani' - a purported passenger of "FLIGHT 175". Ellen is also the one-and-only 'grieving 9/11 family member' who has been throwing a string of (phony) lawsuits at the US government for over a decade. The other day, we were told that her last appeal to the Supreme Court (for which she asked and collected $11.000 in donations from all over the world) was ultimately rejected.

Well, it so happens that (as we have seen with other alleged "9/11 victims") Louis Mariani's first name/last name AND facial features appears to have been 'borrowed' from a celebrity - in this case the world famous operette singer of yesteryear, "Luis Mariano" :

LOUIS MARIANI vs LUIS MARIANO:
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2381641#p2381641

I hope to hear from you, Dean - feel free to join us at cluesforum.info to share your views on this subject.

Elias Davidssson link

08/25/2012 13:14

The fact that flights AA11 and AA77 have not been recorded on the BTS database, does not necessarily prove that the passengers did not come to the airport to fly. The fact that flights UA93 and UA175 did not crash at the known sites, does not mean that these flights did not occur and that no passenger was on these flights. There is much evidence that these flights did occur but flew elsewhere. Over 20 passengers and crew members made phone calls from somewhere, most of them to family members. Some of the calls were recorded. Family members confirmed the calls and reported the contents of the calls. I challenge anyone to openly accuse Mrs. Burnett, Mrs. Glick of lying to the American people about the calls of their beloved husband, and openly accuse Mr. Lyle of having lied about the call of his wife CeeCee, a flight attendant on UA93. I challenge anyone to claim that these families do not exist and that they have not mourned their lost member. I have no doubt about their loss, but I believe that they are incapable of even imagining that their beloved ones had been assassinated by the US authorities. Denial is a common defense mechanism.

dissertation link

04/17/2013 20:25

Did they kill her with her husband's knowledge? Is she in hiding or has her appearance been altered?

Dean Hartwell link

04/18/2013 06:36

Hi Dissertation,

I believe Barbara Olson was a part of the plot. She has most likely taken a new identity and is still alive somewhere.

Coelobobo

04/29/2013 05:48

Apparently in San Bernandino

YouCan'tHandleTheTruth

05/11/2013 09:44

Thank you so very much for this site/posting etc. 'The truth will set you free' ~ You are brave and wise to pursue these questions ~ I can hardly believe the sheeple believe the story our government has fed to us. I am beyond confused how/why we have allowed this situation to be swept under the rug. God speed to all of those who seek the answers/truth!!!

Where the 9/11 Passengers Went after Landing in Cleveland

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